CONVICT ENCOUNTERS

- Dennis Carr and Edward Hall, William Douglas, Mr Voiles, James Osborne

Edward Hall

When Dennis Carr was convicted for Assault and Robbery his accomplice Edward Hall was convicted and given 20 years. Edward Hall (9176) also was deported to Australia on the same voyage as Dennis. Edward's convict details (ref: Convicts In Western Australia 1850 - 1887 by Rica Erickson and Gillian O'Mara) are as follows:

"Hall Edward (9176) 1838 - 1895 Geraldton - male 2 children grinder, semi lit RC, Convicted Leeds 25.3.1865 assault & rob prev conv 20 years: arrived Corona 22.12.1866 T.L. 1.2.1874 cf 24.3.1887. Geraldton, Fremantle, Champion Bay, boatman lab sawyer spliting gen svt teamster."

Further Ref to Edward Hall, as provided by Anna Wright is as follows:

Son of Ralph Hall, his first wife's name [in UK] was Martha. Gives his Leeds conviction and transportation via Corona. On 9.10.1874 in Perth, he married Ellen Margaret Craig, daughter of William. Edward's occupation was surgical grinder. Between 1875 and 1888 four children were born in Geraldton - Louisa, Edmund HH, Ida and Olive G. He died in 1902.

{Reference:- "Midwest of Western Australia, Pre 1901 Pioneer Family Register," page 67]. the person giving the information was I.W.Hall, 140/510 Marmion St, Booragoon.

Note; Contact was made with Mr Louis Hall at the above referred address in 2004 (Tele 9330 9401). Louis was age 86, at the time. Louis advised that Edward Hall had married Margaret Ellen Craig in 1874. She was born in 1852 as a twin. Children to the marriage were Louisa (1875), Edmund (1878), (Ida 1880) and Olive (born in 1886). Ralph Hall was a brother to Edward, advised Louis.

Edmund Hall had only one child (Louis himself) and Louis in turn only has one child named Gregory ie. there is only one line of males to the Hall family in W.A.

William Douglas

Both Edward Hall and William Douglas are party to a "Bond" with Dennis Carrs wife (Mary Ann), following Dennis's death (18.4.1895). It would appear that the William Douglas concerned was himself a convict and the details being as follows (ref: Convicts In Western Australia 1850 - 1887 by Rica Erickson and Gillian O'Mara):

"Douglas William (9717) 1830 - 8.4.1904 married, one child, engine fitter, lit. Prot, conv Manchester 3.12.1866 wareh/breaking prev conv 15 years, arr Hougomont 10.1.1868. T.L. 3.3.1873 CF 3.12.1881 Geraldton, Fremantle, Perth, lab fitter machinist."

Possible brother to Thomas Douglas.

Mr Wm Voiles

Dennis Carr was a Shoemaker for Mr Voiles at Victoria (Geraldton) at 11.2.1875, at 31.12.1875 and at 31.12.1876. He also provided labour for a Mr Voiles at 11.12.78. (Ref: Convict details).

Mr Voiles was a convict himself- convict No........ (Ref: Anna Wright).

James Osborne

Dennis Carr worked for James Osborne (5756) who himself was a convict. Dennis was employed as a Shoemaker at Victoria (Geraldton) at 26.5.1877, at 30.6.1877 and at 31.12.1877. (Ref: Convict details). Dennis would later marry one of James Osborne's daughters - Martha Osborne (M 19.7.1876) at the Wesleyan Church Geraldton (confirmed by Marriage Certificate).

The WA Convicts internet site provided the following details regarding James Osborne:

James Osborne (5756) rec'd 15 years term at the age of 41 at Shrewsbury 1859 for Uttering Forged Notes. He was deported on the Palmerston which left Portland England on 10.11.1860 and arrived in Fremantle on 11.2.1861. The voyage took 93 days.

See also the James Osborne family details.

James Osborne Family

James Osborne was deported from England on the ship "Palmerston", which left Portland England on 10.11.1860. However the majority of his immediate family followed him.

On 19 September 1864 James's wife Eliza (age 37 years) and a number of their children sailed on the ship "Hastings" for Australia. At the time Eliza and family were living at IcKweld Port Road Birmingham. Sailing with Eliza were, Robert (age 20), Herbert age (13), Lola (age 11) Beulah (age 9) Martha (age 5). It is thought that Perineral (age 18 years) and Sarah Anne (age 22) remained in England. All their ages would have been as at 25/2/1864 when the application form was received.

There was also written on the application form the sum of 4 pounds and 10 shillings. No doubt being payment for the voyage.

(Ref: Public Records Offoce London C.C. 386/154, Registry number 1864 C.O. 24 and Application number 1191 - See copy attached)

When James and Eliza and family reunited in Australia they had two more daughters - namely Clara Osborne (Born 1865, christened at Champion Bay 28/12/1866 and thought to have gone to South Australia in 1878) and Celia Osborne, (born Bootenall 1868, christened 13/9/1871 and thought to have gone to South Australia in 1878). [Ref: Anna Wright]

A photograph seemingly of James and Eliza with one of their two youngest daughters and Lola Wright's (nee Crippin/Osborne) son Joseph Herbert Wright. Joesph Herbert Wrigth being the Grandfather to todays descendent Anna Wright.

There are a number of references to James Osborne in the book entitled "A Life of its Own" by Mary Albertus Bain OP. as follows:

" A man named Garrard, "Commenced the settlement's first industry - ship building. Included was the "Loss of Gerladton. She was 32 tons with one deck, two masts, a square stern and dimensions 20' x 5'2" x 2'3"." - launched in 1865. "In 1866-67 the sister ship, Mary Ann was launched at the Bay and was used for coastal trade between the north-west and Fremantle, ultimately being lost in a cyclone off Cossack, a fate that also befell the two other vessels that Garrard and his half dozen assistants had built from the wreck. Ticket men who worked for Garrard were Jn Burton, Hy Butt, David Gibson, Hy Lee, Jack Leggett, Jn McKenzie, Jas Osborne, Hy Shields and Jn Unsworth." [Ref: pages 176-178].

Other references around ther 1880s are "...but in Marine Terrace there was the well known Dan Marsh, maker and mender of anything that required attention. There was J Youard house decorator and colourman, Wm Armstrong, a butcher with Cream, and T Reahead and T Kirkup caryying on a similar business. Jas Page and J Glaskin were the bakers and confectioners and Jas Osborne was the marine dealer. The majority of these men were sent from England for what was termed "Their country's good". [Reference: page 81].

Also at the time is this reference to James Hanlon, who at some time bought James Osbornes business in Fitzgerald Street, " Also in the street was James Hanlon, licensee of the Shamrock, another businessman with a keen eye to the main chance."